{"id":1035624,"date":"2025-11-08T15:29:11","date_gmt":"2025-11-08T12:29:11","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/darkamazi.site\/?p=1035624"},"modified":"2025-11-08T15:29:11","modified_gmt":"2025-11-08T12:29:11","slug":"abdullah-ocalanin-pkk-kadrolari-ile-yaptigi-telekonferansin-tutanaklari","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/darkamazi.site\/archives\/1035624","title":{"rendered":"Abdullah \u00d6calan\u2019\u0131n PKK kadrolar\u0131 ile yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131 Telekonferans\u0131n tutanaklar\u0131&#8230;"},"content":{"rendered":"<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\u0130mral\u0131- Devlet-Kandil aras\u0131ndaki \u00fc\u00e7l\u00fc ili\u015fkilerin 1999 y\u0131l\u0131ndan bu yana devam eden ve \u00e7oklu ve gizli bir ili\u015fki a\u011f\u0131 var. \u00d6zellikle de Bah\u00e7eli\u2019nin ba\u015flatt\u0131\u011f\u0131 s\u00fcre\u00e7 ile beraber bu \u00fc\u00e7l\u00fc aras\u0131ndaki ili\u015fki de \u015fekil de\u011fi\u015ftirdi. Kamuoyunu manip\u00fcle etmek i\u00e7in yans\u0131t\u0131lanlar asl\u0131nda buz da\u011f\u0131n\u0131n \u00e7ok k\u00fc\u00e7\u00fck bir b\u00f6l\u00fcm\u00fc. \u00d6calan\u2019\u0131n gerek PKK y\u00f6netimi, gerekse de Rojava ile \u00f6zellikle de a\u011fustos ay\u0131ndaki silah yakma eyleminden sonra bir\u00e7ok kez g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fme yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131 belirtiliyor.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">A\u015fa\u011f\u0131da okuyaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131z belge ise \u00d6calan\u2019\u0131n PKK fesih kongresinden \u00f6nce PKK Kadrolar\u0131 ile telekonferansa ait tutanaklar.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><strong>Telekonferansta 4 PKK Kadrosu \u00a0bir M\u0130T g\u00f6revlisi de haz\u0131r bulundu<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Yap\u0131lan Telekonferans\u0131 d\u00fczenlemek ve oradaki PKK Y\u00f6neticileri ile tart\u0131\u015fmak i\u00e7in M\u0130T\u2019in \u00fcst d\u00fczey bir g\u00f6revlisi (Belgede ad\u0131 Hakan olarak ge\u00e7iyor) telekonferans\u0131n yap\u0131laca\u011f\u0131 alana gidiyor. Ve g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fme esnas\u0131nda da salonda haz\u0131r. Ayr\u0131ca salonda kalabal\u0131k bir PKK gurubu da haz\u0131r. Fakat kameralar\u0131n \u00f6n\u00fcne oturan d\u00f6rt isim var. Tutanak tutan ki\u015finin ismi ise T. olarak ge\u00e7iyor. Bu ki\u015finin daha sonra 11 Temmuz&#8217;da silah b\u0131rakan guruptaki Teko\u015fin Ozan ( Esmen Ayaz) oldu\u011fu iddia edildi. Yanl\u0131z g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmeye kat\u0131lan di\u011fer ki\u015filerin ismi net.<\/p>\n<ol>\n<li>Sabri Ok,<\/li>\n<li>Song\u00fcl \u00c7elik (Dilar S\u0131vas) PKK\u2019nin Avrupa Diplomasi ve kad\u0131n hareketi y\u00f6neticilerinden.<\/li>\n<li>Remzi Kartal<\/li>\n<li>\u0130lham Ahmet (Ronahi Efrin)<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">G\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fme 2 May\u0131s tarihinde ger\u00e7ekle\u015fmi\u015f. Yani PKK\u2019nin kendini fesih kongresi ba\u015flamadan 3 g\u00fcn \u00f6nce. (Baz\u0131 PKK\u2019ye yak\u0131n \u00e7evreler g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmenin PKK\u2019nin kendini feshkongresi ger\u00e7ekle\u015ftirdi\u011fi salonda yap\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 belirtiyorlar. Murat Karay\u0131lan\u2019\u0131n haz\u0131r oldu\u011fu kongre de\u011fil ana kongre ve Cemil Bay\u0131k\u2019\u0131n kat\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131 kongre salonu. Ayn\u0131 \u00e7evreler kongrede y\u00f6neticilerin yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131 konu\u015fmalar\u0131n video kay\u0131tlar\u0131n\u0131n Hakan adl\u0131 M\u0130T y\u00f6neticisi taraf\u0131ndan \u0130mral\u0131 ve T\u00fcrk devletine g\u00f6t\u00fcr\u00fcld\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn\u00fc iddia ediyor. Fakat bu bilgiyi do\u011frulatamad\u0131k). Ayr\u0131ca g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmenin S\u00fcleymaniye&#8217;de yap\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131 y\u00f6n\u00fcnde de bilgiler var.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\u00dcst d\u00fczey bir M\u0130T g\u00f6revlisinin PKK\u2019lilerle bu kadar yak\u0131n ili\u015fki kurmas\u0131 elbette ki kar\u015f\u0131l\u0131kl\u0131 g\u00fcven ve diyalog konusunda ileri ad\u0131mlar at\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 g\u00f6steriyor. Ayr\u0131ca ili\u015fkilerin hem eski oldu\u011funu hem de hala devam etti\u011finin de bir i\u015fareti.<\/p>\n<p>Ayr\u0131ca belgede bu g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmenin ilk olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131 daha \u00f6ncede benzer g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmelerin yap\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131 y\u00f6n\u00fcnde de bir \u00e7ok ibare var.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Telekonferansta bulanan herkes g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmenin s\u0131zma ihtimaline kar\u015f\u0131 olduk\u00e7a temkinli konu\u015fmu\u015f ve soyut ifadeler kullanm\u0131\u015f. \u00d6calan ise olduk\u00e7a net bi\u00e7imde bu s\u00fcreci bask\u0131 alt\u0131nda ba\u015flatmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 zaten \u0130mral\u0131\u2019ya gitti\u011fi zamandan bu yana bunun i\u00e7in \u00e7al\u0131\u015ft\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 belirtiyor. Ayr\u0131ca \u00d6calan a\u00e7\u0131k bi\u00e7imde \u201cDemokratik Cumhuriyeti kurmak bir K\u00fcrdistan\u2019\u0131 kurmaktan daha k\u0131ymetlidir benim i\u00e7in\u201d diyecek kadar da rahat konu\u015fuyor.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">A\u015fa\u011f\u0131da okuyaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131z belge elimize ula\u015fan halidir. Yaz\u0131 taraf\u0131m\u0131zdan sans\u00fcrlenmemi\u015f veya de\u011fi\u015ftirilmemi\u015ftir.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><strong>Belgenin ba\u015f\u0131nda toplant\u0131 ba\u015flamadan \u00f6nce yap\u0131lan haz\u0131rl\u0131klara d\u00f6n\u00fck bir a\u00e7\u0131klama var. <\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><strong>\u00a0<\/strong><em>Toplant\u0131n\u0131n yap\u0131laca\u011f\u0131 salonda yakla\u015f\u0131k 10 dakika beklendi. Ada\u2019da Ba\u015fkan ile muhatap olan Hakan isimli yetkili de T\u00fcrkiye\u2019den bir g\u00fcn \u00f6nce gelmi\u015fti ve salonda haz\u0131r bulunuyordu. 10 dakikadan sonra telefon \u00e7ald\u0131 ve konferans ba\u015flayacak diye ekran\u0131n \u00f6n\u00fcndeki toplant\u0131 masas\u0131n\u0131n etraf\u0131ndaki sandalyelere oturuldu. 4 arkada\u015f (S, R, D ve \u0130.A) ekran\u0131n yani kameran\u0131n kar\u015f\u0131s\u0131na oturdu, T arkada\u015f da tutanak tutmak \u00fczere masan\u0131n ba\u015f\u0131na oturdu. Ekran a\u00e7\u0131l\u0131r a\u00e7\u0131lmaz Ba\u015fkan ve her yan\u0131na bir arkada\u015f olmak \u00fczere \u00d6z ve Dr. arkada\u015flar oturuyordu. Arka s\u0131rada ise Hamili, \u00d6mer ve Veysi arkada\u015flar oturuyordu. Toplant\u0131y\u0131 Ba\u015fkan elinde ka\u011f\u0131tlar ile a\u00e7t\u0131. <\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><b>\u00d6calan:\u00a0<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Herkese selamlar\u0131m\u0131 iletiyorum. PKK\u2019nin Kurucu Genel Ba\u015fkan\u0131 s\u0131fat\u0131yla son konu\u015fmam\u0131 yapaca\u011f\u0131m.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Bu bile\u015feni Demokratik Kominler Birli\u011finin haz\u0131rl\u0131k komitesi olarak tan\u0131ml\u0131yor ve belirtiyorum. Sempatizanlar\u0131m\u0131z dahil, b\u00fct\u00fcn \u00e7evrelerimizdekilerin ve hatta kar\u015f\u0131 rakip g\u00fc\u00e7lerin de dikkatle de\u011ferlendirmelerini tarihi bir inisiyatif oldu\u011funu belirterek, onlara da \u00f6nemli g\u00f6revler d\u00fc\u015ft\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn\u00fc belirterek ba\u015fl\u0131yorum. T\u00fcm taraflar bunu dikkate almal\u0131d\u0131r.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Ayr\u0131yeten biraz sonra sorular\u0131n\u0131z\u0131 alaca\u011f\u0131m. Arkada\u015flar ne diyor. Beklentileri nedir bunlar\u0131 ve sorular\u0131n\u0131z\u0131 almak istiyorum. Bah\u00e7eli\u2019nin tarihi \u00e7a\u011fr\u0131s\u0131n\u0131, elini havada b\u0131rakmamak gerekti\u011fini s\u00f6yledim. Bu sorunu devletle Demokratikle\u015fme temelinde \u00e7\u00f6zerim dedim. \u0130mral\u0131\u2019ya ilk geldi\u011fimde de bir uhde olarak o zamanda ifade etmi\u015ftim. Son \u00e7a\u011fr\u0131 da benim \u015fahsi inisiyatifimle ger\u00e7ekle\u015fmi\u015ftir. Hay\u0131rl\u0131 bir imk\u00e2n olarak de\u011ferlendirdim bu son f\u0131rsat\u0131 da. Bunu ben haz\u0131rlad\u0131m ve bug\u00fcne kadar da getirdim. Bilinmeli ki burada bir dayatma kesinlikle s\u00f6z konusu de\u011fildir.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Bug\u00fcn bu toplant\u0131 yeni bir e\u015fiktir. \u00d6nemli ve tarihi bir e\u015fi\u011fin a\u015f\u0131lmas\u0131d\u0131r. B\u00f6yle ele al\u0131nmas\u0131n\u0131 umuyorum. 4 Maddelik yani d\u00f6rt ba\u015fl\u0131kl\u0131 bildirgem sizlere ula\u015ft\u0131 san\u0131r\u0131m. Bu e\u015fi\u011fi atlatmak tek tarafl\u0131 bir iyi niyet beyan\u0131d\u0131r. \u015eimdilik bunlar\u0131 belirteyim. \u015eimdi isterseniz sorular\u0131n\u0131z\u0131 alay\u0131m. Sorunlar\u0131n\u0131z nedir onlar\u0131 belirtebilirsiniz. Evet Sabri\u2026<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>Sabri Ok:\u00a0<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Ba\u015fta y\u00f6netim ad\u0131na sayg\u0131lar\u0131m\u0131z\u0131 belirtiyoruz. \u00d6nderli\u011fimizin inan\u0131lmaz bir yo\u011funla\u015fma ile b\u00fcy\u00fck bir sorumluluk y\u00fcklendi\u011fini biliyoruz. Halklar i\u00e7in b\u00fcy\u00fck \u00e7abalar\u0131n\u0131z\u0131 selaml\u0131yoruz. Bizler de yo\u011funla\u015fmaya, anlamaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yoruz. Biraz bilgilendirme yapmak istiyorum.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><b>\u00d6calan:\u00a0<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Evet sorular\u0131n\u0131z var m\u0131? Sorular\u0131n\u0131z nedir?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>Sabri Ark: <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\u0130zninizle biraz bilgilendirme yapmak istiyorum. Son 10 y\u0131lda \u015fiddetli bir sava\u015f y\u00fcr\u00fctt\u00fck. Bo\u011faz bo\u011faza bir sava\u015f ya\u015fand\u0131. 50 metre, 100 metrelik alanlarda bile \u00e7at\u0131\u015fma halindeydik. T\u00fcrk devleti ile hala ayn\u0131 pozisyonda ve i\u00e7 i\u00e7e haldeyiz. Biz \u00d6nderli\u011fimizin \u00e7a\u011fr\u0131s\u0131na ate\u015fkes ile cevap verdik. Ama \u00fcslup de\u011fi\u015fmedi sald\u0131r\u0131lar devam ediyor.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>Ba\u015fkan: <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">(Araya girerek) Evet bunlar\u0131 anl\u0131yorum. Kesinlikle anla\u015f\u0131ld\u0131. Cevap verece\u011fim bunlara. Var m\u0131 ba\u015fka bir sorunuz var m\u0131? Remzi senin var m\u0131?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>Remzi Kartal:\u00a0<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Halk ve Avrupa \u00f6rg\u00fct\u00fc ad\u0131na sayg\u0131lar\u0131m\u0131z\u0131 iletiyoruz. \u00c7a\u011fr\u0131n\u0131za y\u00f6nelik verilen destek Avrupa alan\u0131ndaki Newroz\u2019da en \u00fcst d\u00fczeye ula\u015ft\u0131. \u00c7a\u011fr\u0131n\u0131za g\u00fcven ve kat\u0131l\u0131m var. Ancak d. Toplumu in\u015fa da hala eksik ve yetersizliklerimiz var. Halk b\u00fcy\u00fck destek veriyor ad\u0131mlar\u0131n\u0131za. Devletin politikalar\u0131na dair halk\u0131n endi\u015feleri var.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000;background-color: #ccffff\"><b>\u00d6calan<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"background-color: #ccffff\">Tamam anla\u015f\u0131ld\u0131. \u0130lham sen bir \u015fey diyor musun?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"background-color: #ccffff\"><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000\">\u0130lham Ahmed:<\/span> <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"background-color: #ccffff\">Selam ve sayg\u0131lar\u0131m\u0131z\u0131 sunuyoruz. Size Rojava\u2019n\u0131n ba\u011fl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 iletmek istiyorum. Kuzey Suriye konusundaki g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fleriniz bize ula\u015ft\u0131. Burda da sizi dinlemek istiyoruz. <\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"background-color: #ccffff\"><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000\">\u00d6calan:<\/span><br \/>\n<\/strong>Mektubum size ula\u015ft\u0131 m\u0131? Kar\u015f\u0131 duran kimse var m\u0131? \u0130tiraz eden var m\u0131?<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000;background-color: #ccffff\"><strong>\u0130lham Ahmed: \u00a0<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"background-color: #ccffff\">Hay\u0131r ba\u015fkan\u0131m kar\u015f\u0131 \u00e7\u0131kan kimse yok. Fakat Ahmet \u015eara y\u00f6netiminden \u015f\u00fcphelerimiz var. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin yakla\u015f\u0131m\u0131ndan \u015f\u00fcphelerimiz var.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"background-color: #ccffff\">(Na Serok\u00ea min kes\u00ea li hember derkeve tune ye. Her kes li gel banga we ye. L\u00ea ji r\u00eaveberiya Ahmet \u015eara guman heye. Ji n\u00eazikahiy\u00ean Tirkiyey\u00ea guman hene.)<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"background-color: #ccffff\"><br \/>\n<\/span><em><strong><span style=\"font-size: 14pt\">Abdullah \u00d6calan Rojava y\u00f6netiminin s\u0131n\u0131rlar\u0131 ve g\u00fcmr\u00fckleri\u00a0 \u015eam&#8217;a teslim etmesini istedi<\/span><\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"background-color: #ccffff\"><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000\">\u00d6calan:\u00a0<\/span><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"background-color: #ccffff\">Benim bu \u00e7a\u011fr\u0131m \u00f6nemlidir. A\u00e7\u0131k s\u00f6yleyelim. \u00a0Her \u015feyimizi s\u00f6yledik ve her \u015feyi dile getirdik. Yeni d\u00f6nem demokrasi d\u00f6nemidir. Yeni d\u00f6nemde devletler yoktur. Biz demokratik Suriye\u2019nin birli\u011fini koruyaca\u011f\u0131z. PYD, Demokratlar Birli\u011fi Partisidir. Siz bu ad alt\u0131nda b\u00fcy\u00fck bir hareket olu\u015fturdunuz. Ben sizi takip ediyordum. Yerel demokrasi \u00e7ok \u00f6nemlidir. Bunu ne Suriyi devleti ne de \u015eara y\u00f6netimi yapa bilir. \u015eimdi Suriye\u2019yi Ahmet \u015eara temsil ediyor. \u0130nan\u0131yorum ki o da bu yeni program\u0131m\u0131z\u0131 anlayacakt\u0131r. Biz demokratik bir anayasa istiyoruz. \u00dclke demokratik olursa art\u0131k silaha gerek de kalmaz. Demokrasi olursa silah d\u00fc\u015fmanl\u0131k nedeni de olmaz. D\u0131\u015f s\u0131n\u0131rlar ve g\u00fcmr\u00fck devlete teslim edilmeli. Siz kendi i\u00e7 i\u015flerinizi y\u00fcr\u00fct\u00fcn. Daha sonra bu konuya de\u011finece\u011fim. \u015eimdilik bu kadar yeterli.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Di\u011fer arkada\u015flar\u0131n sorular\u0131 var m\u0131? Kad\u0131n bir arkada\u015f var. PAJK m\u0131? Sorular\u0131n\u0131z var m\u0131?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>D\u0131lar S\u0131vas: (Song\u00fcl \u00c7elik)<\/strong><\/span><br \/>\nBen Avrupa kad\u0131n hareketinden do\u011fru kat\u0131l\u0131yorum Ba\u015fkan\u0131m. Ba\u015fta t\u00fcm kad\u0131n arkada\u015flar\u0131n selam\u0131 var. Arkada\u015flar\u0131n sorular\u0131na kat\u0131l\u0131yorum ben de. Ayr\u0131ca bu s\u00fcre\u00e7te bizlere d\u00fc\u015fen g\u00f6revler nelerdir?..<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000\">\u00d6calan: <\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><em>(Ba\u015fkan hat\u0131rlamaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015ft\u0131 arkada\u015f\u0131n kim oldu\u011funu. Sabri Ark \u2018Sivasl\u0131 D\u0131lar, yan\u0131n\u0131zda da kalm\u0131\u015f \u015feklinde araya girdi. Ba\u015fkan tamam deyip hemen s\u00f6ze girdi)<\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Yani garip ve anormal bir \u015fey yok. \u0130tiraz yok. O zaman tamamd\u0131r anla\u015f\u0131ld\u0131. Benim esas ald\u0131\u011f\u0131m \u015fey \u015fu; soru ve sorun varsa onu dinlemek istiyorum.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Suriye devletinin da\u011f\u0131lmas\u0131 ile beraber yeni bir durum var. Gerek \u0130ran gerek Irak\u2019\u0131n da i\u00e7inde bulundu\u011fu durum, Kasr\u0131 \u015eirini a\u015fm\u0131\u015ft\u0131r. Suriye ve Irak da\u011f\u0131ld\u0131 nerdeyse. 100 y\u0131l \u00f6nce yap\u0131lm\u0131\u015f olan Musul anla\u015fmas\u0131 var. Gizli maddeleri var denilir bilemeyiz. Ayr\u0131ca Skys Picot anla\u015fmas\u0131n\u0131n da \u015fart\u0131 bu s\u00f6z\u00fcn\u00fc etti\u011fim rejimlerin ayakta kalmas\u0131 \u015fart\u0131na ba\u011fl\u0131yd\u0131 denir. \u015eimdi o devletler ne haldedir g\u00f6r\u00fcyoruz. Onlar ortadan kalkt\u0131. Bir de Lozan i\u00e7in de ge\u00e7erlili\u011fi 100 y\u0131ld\u0131r. Onu da ge\u00e7enlerde kutlad\u0131k zaten. Bu y\u00fczden yeni bir durum var. Gerek, \u0130ran, Suriye ve Irakta\u2019ki durum ile mevcut Skys Picot durumu de\u011fi\u015fmi\u015ftir. Yeni bir durum var. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin de ciddi bir Anayasa sorunu var.<\/p>\n<p><em><strong><span style=\"font-size: 14pt\">\u00d6calan: PKK&#8217;yi iki nedenle fesh ediyorum<\/span><\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"background-color: #ffcc99\">Biz PKK ile ba\u011f\u0131ms\u0131z K\u00fcrdistan i\u00e7in yola \u00e7\u0131kt\u0131k. Partimizin program\u0131nda bel kemi\u011fi madde ba\u011f\u0131ms\u0131z bir K\u00fcrdistan idi. Bunun \u00f6nc\u00fcl\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn\u00fc ben yapt\u0131m. \u015eimdi bunu de\u011fi\u015ftiriyoruz ve bundan vazge\u00e7iyoruz. Elinize gelen bildirgede de yer al\u0131yor. \u0130ki sebep ile bu karar\u0131 al\u0131yorum. Birincisi; bizim \u00fczerimizde reel sosyalizmin etkisi vard\u0131. \u015eimdi reel sosyalizmin \u00e7\u00f6k\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcn ger\u00e7ekle\u015fti\u011fi bir yerde ben uluslar\u0131n kendi kaderini tayin etme hakk\u0131n\u0131 ve devlet\u00e7i ulusal kurtulu\u015f\u00e7u yakla\u015f\u0131mlar\u0131 irdeledim. Bunun bir ilke olamayaca\u011f\u0131n\u0131 anlad\u0131m. PKK kendini 90\u2019lardan sonra a\u015f\u0131r\u0131 tekrar etti. Nitekim \u00d6zal\u2019\u0131n da dedi\u011fi gibi \u2018Art\u0131k miad\u0131n\u0131 doldurmu\u015f bir hareket\u2019. \u00d6zal\u2019\u0131n giri\u015fimi asl\u0131nda bu sorunu bir \u015fekilde \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcme imk\u00e2n vermi\u015fti. Ancak norm d\u0131\u015f\u0131 g\u00fc\u00e7ler devlet i\u00e7inde ve PKK i\u00e7inde harekete ge\u00e7tiler ve o giri\u015fim sabote oldu. \u015eak diye sabotaj ger\u00e7ekle\u015ftirdiler ve \u00e7al\u0131\u015fma bo\u015fa d\u00fc\u015ft\u00fc.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"399\" height=\"342\" class=\"aligncenter darka-image-1035625 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/darkamazi.site\/file\/2025\/11\/xapo-cover4-e1762599819675.jpg\" alt=\"Abdullah \u00d6calan\u2019\u0131n PKK kadrolar\u0131 ile yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131 Telekonferans G\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmesi\u2026. \" srcset=\"https:\/\/darkamazi.site\/file\/2025\/11\/xapo-cover4-e1762599819675.jpg 399w, https:\/\/darkamazi.site\/file\/2025\/11\/xapo-cover4-e1762599819675-300x257.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 399px) 100vw, 399px\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"background-color: #ffcc99\">\u0130kinci neden; 90\u2019l\u0131lardan beri yani 30 y\u0131la a\u015fk\u0131nd\u0131r bu \u00e7ark kaybet kaybet \u015feklinde d\u00f6nd\u00fc. \u00d6zal ba\u015faramad\u0131. Biz de durduramad\u0131k bu durumu. Kim ne derse desin bu sorumlulu\u011fu al\u0131yorum ve ulus devlet amac\u0131ndan geri d\u00f6n\u00fcyorum. Ulus devlet yerine Sosyalizme dayal\u0131 demokratik ulus, demokratik toplum olabilir. Bunu sadece T\u00fcrkiye i\u00e7in de\u011fil t\u00fcm d\u00fcnya i\u00e7in bu g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fleri savunuyorum. \u00c7a\u011fr\u0131mdaki Demokratik Toplum k\u00fcresel \u00e7apta bir yakla\u015f\u0131md\u0131r ve b\u00f6yle bir yo\u011funla\u015fman\u0131n sonucudur. \u0130leriki tart\u0131\u015fmalarda derinle\u015ftiririz. Siz de perspektifleri okur de\u011ferlendirirsiniz. Devam\u0131 da gelecek okursunuz.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Fiilen yap\u0131lan\u0131 \u00f6z itibar\u0131yla tamaml\u0131yorum. PKK\u2019nin feshini art\u0131k resmiyete ge\u00e7iriyoruz. Ben bir ara bu PKK\u2019den istifa ediyorum dedim. Hat\u0131rlars\u0131n\u0131z.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>Sabri Ok: \u00a0<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Evet Ba\u015fkan\u0131m. 6. Kongre s\u00fcrecinde dediniz.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt\"><em><strong>\u00d6calan: Bir sosyalist olarak s\u00f6yl\u00fcyorum \u015fiddet ve sava\u015fa dayal\u0131 sosyalizmi red ediyorum<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000\">\u00d6calan:<\/span><br \/>\n<\/strong>Evet o kongrede istifam\u0131 sundum. PKK milad\u0131n\u0131 tamamlamas\u0131n\u0131n sebeplerinden biri de; PKK kat\u0131 K\u00fcrt inkar\u0131n\u0131n ko\u015fullar\u0131nda do\u011fdu. Ancak inkar ko\u015fullar\u0131 bitmi\u015ftir. Bilinmeli ki PKK inkar\u0131 durdurdu ve rol\u00fcn\u00fc oynad\u0131. Bu temelde \u00f6mr\u00fcn\u00fc tamamlad\u0131. Demirel bile \u2018K\u00fcrt realitesini tan\u0131yorum\u2019 dedi. PKK sosyalizmi geli\u015ftiremez. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc PKK kendi i\u00e7inde demokrasiyi geli\u015ftiremedi\u011fi gibi d\u0131\u015f\u0131n\u0131 da yeterli d\u00fczeyde \u00f6rg\u00fctleyemedi.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"background-color: #99ccff\">PKK\u2019nin amac\u0131 ulus devlet idi. Silahla stratejisine ula\u015fma amac\u0131 vard\u0131. Ulus devlet amac\u0131 ta\u015f\u0131mak bir silahl\u0131 m\u00fccadeleyi gerektirir. Ancak ulus devlet ve ulusal kurtulu\u015f yakla\u015f\u0131m\u0131nda ger\u00e7ekle\u015ftirdi\u011fimiz de\u011fi\u015fim ile buna art\u0131k gerek yok. Bir sosyalist olarak s\u00f6yl\u00fcyorum. \u015eiddete ve sava\u015fa dayanan bir sosyalizmi red ediyorum. Mao\u2019nun dedi\u011fi \u2018devrimin yolu namludan ge\u00e7er.\u2019 s\u00f6z\u00fcne kat\u0131lm\u0131yorum, yanl\u0131\u015f buluyorum. Ben diyorum ki sosyalizm ancak bar\u0131\u015f ve demokratik zeminde in\u015fa edilebilir. Bunun d\u0131\u015f\u0131nda bir yol m\u00fcmk\u00fcn de\u011fildir. \u0130lkesel olarak sosyalizm \u015fiddet ile in\u015fa edilemez. Bu bir ilkedir.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Di\u011fer ba\u011fl\u0131 maddeyi de \u015f\u00f6yle ifade edebilirim; peki bir ara\u00e7 olarak bu silah\u0131 elimizden ald\u0131n\u0131z. Bu kadar sald\u0131r\u0131 var. Vuruluyoruz. Sald\u0131r\u0131 oluyor. Biz nas\u0131l b\u00f6yle bir karar alabiliriz? Ne olaca\u011f\u0131z? \u015feklinde sorular\u0131n\u0131z oluyor. Bu konuda hakl\u0131s\u0131n\u0131z. Bunun yerine ne koyacaks\u0131n\u0131z diye sorabilirsiniz. \u015eimdi buna kar\u015f\u0131 diyece\u011fim \u015fudur; Demokratik siyaset ve hukuki boyut olduk\u00e7a \u00f6nemlidir ve bunu geli\u015ftirece\u011fiz.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Bir\u00e7ok arkada\u015f gelecek T\u00fcrkiye\u2019ye. Bunu hukuk \u00e7\u00f6zmeli. Hukuki boyut diyoruz. Belki hemen olmaz ama hukuki d\u00fczenleme ile bu yap\u0131lacak.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Bunu bu metinden okuyay\u0131m: (Ba\u015fkan elindeki metinden harekete g\u00f6nderdi\u011fi perspektifin ilgili k\u0131sm\u0131ndan bir paragraf okudu)<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\u00dc\u00e7\u00fcnc\u00fc maddemiz: Devlet, PKK ile diyalog ve g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmeye kapal\u0131d\u0131r. Bu olmazsa olmaz bir madde de\u011fil. Ama m\u00fczakere ve sa\u011fl\u0131kl\u0131 diyalo\u011fa gidecek bir yol i\u00e7in PKK\u2019nin devreden \u00e7\u0131kmas\u0131 gerekir. Bunun i\u00e7in fesih bu kilidin a\u00e7\u0131lmas\u0131 ve diyalo\u011fa giden yolun a\u00e7\u0131lmas\u0131 olacak. Ayr\u0131ca kamuoyu da ayn\u0131 hassasiyete sahiptir. Kimse kolay kolay PKK ile g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015femiyor.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Perspektifi de 4. Madde de etrafl\u0131ca ifade etmi\u015fim. Bunu burdan okuyorum. (Ba\u015fkan metinin ilgili maddesini okudu)<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt\"><em><strong>\u00d6calan: PKK&#8217;nin ve devletin i\u00e7inde s\u00fcreci bozmak isteyenler var<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Demokratik Siyaset hakk\u0131 kanunen tan\u0131nmak zorunda. Yollar\u0131 a\u00e7\u0131k olacak. Dikkat edin bu yeni ko\u015fullar\u0131n olu\u015fmas\u0131 fesihe ba\u011fl\u0131. Bunu ba\u015faraca\u011f\u0131n\u0131za inanc\u0131m var. Bundan ku\u015fkum yok. Kongre feshinden sonra ad\u0131m at\u0131lacak deniyor. Devlet ad\u0131na norm g\u00fc\u00e7ler evet diyorlar. Ama norm d\u0131\u015f\u0131 g\u00fc\u00e7ler bozabilir, tedbir almal\u0131s\u0131n\u0131z.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Bu g\u00f6r\u00fcnt\u00fcl\u00fc konferanstan sonra yeni bir s\u00fcre\u00e7 ba\u015flar diye d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum. Devlet ne kadar yana\u015f\u0131r bilemeyiz. Ba\u015fta say\u0131n ba\u015fkan ve di\u011fer yetkililer ile yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131m g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmeler i\u00e7in diyorum ki; Norm devlet ile g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015f\u00fcyorum. Ama arkada norm d\u0131\u015f\u0131 g\u00fc\u00e7ler var. PKK\u2019nin ve devletin i\u00e7inde de var. Hassas yakla\u015f\u0131lmal\u0131 ve kesinlikle bozmaya izin verilmemeli.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Biz burada g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015f\u00fcyoruz ve tart\u0131\u015f\u0131yoruz. Devlet yetkilileri ile g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015f\u00fcyoruz. Ne kadar s\u00fcrer bu haz\u0131rl\u0131klar netle\u015fmelidir. Onlara da s\u00f6yledim. Uzatmamak gerekir. Devlete de diyorum. Sizden de ricam, uzatmadan, s\u00fcreci buland\u0131racak, zora sokacak \u015feylere girmemeniz ve zamana yaymadan gere\u011fini yapman\u0131zd\u0131r. \u015eimdi paradigma de\u011fi\u015ftiriyoruz. Burdaki arkada\u015flar ile tart\u0131\u015f\u0131yoruz. Yaz\u0131n\u0131n giri\u015fini size g\u00f6nderdim ald\u0131n\u0131z herhalde.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>Sabri Ok: \u00a0<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Evet ula\u015ft\u0131 ba\u015fkan\u0131m.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000\">\u00d6calan:<\/span> <\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">7 maddeliktir. Bitirmeye \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yorum. Bitince g\u00f6nderece\u011fim. O da gelecek size. Demokratik Toplum Birli\u011fi olacak. Beni ba\u015fka bir \u015fey ile tan\u0131mlamay\u0131n. Bu benim program\u0131m. Kim ne d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorsa d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcns\u00fcn, s\u00f6ylesin. Tercihini yaparlar. Benim program\u0131m di\u011fer par\u00e7alar i\u00e7in de ge\u00e7erlidir. Ama ben kararl\u0131y\u0131m. \u00a0Barzani gibi de olmayaca\u011f\u0131z. Federe devlet falan olmayaca\u011f\u0131z. Demokratik birlik temelinde hem onlarla hem Talabani ile ili\u015fki geli\u015ftirece\u011fiz. Irak ve \u0130ran ile de demokratik \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcm m\u00fczakereleri geli\u015ftirilsin. \u0130ran i\u00e7in \u00f6zellikle PJAK\u2019a selamlar\u0131m\u0131 s\u00f6yleyin ve demokartik bir m\u00fczakare ba\u015flamal\u0131. Rojava da kendi yerel demokrasisi i\u00e7erisinde kendi y\u00f6neticilerini se\u00e7melidir. Avrupa da zaten \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar\u0131n\u0131 y\u00fcr\u00fct\u00fcr. Remzi dinliyorsun de\u011fil mi? Demokratik Toplum Sosyalizmi en kolay ve uygun \u015fekilde Avrupa\u2019da uygulanabilir. \u0130lham\u2019a da s\u00f6yledim yerel demokratik yap\u0131 dedim.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">De\u011ferli Yolda\u015flar. Baz\u0131lar\u0131 s\u00f6yl\u00fcyor i\u015fte. \u2018Bu kongre beni h\u00fcz\u00fcnlendirdi, b\u00fcy\u00fck bir ac\u0131 ve duygusall\u0131k vs var\u2019 gibi s\u00f6zler var. A\u00e7\u0131k\u00e7as\u0131 ben hi\u00e7 \u00f6yle olmad\u0131. Yani h\u00fcz\u00fcnlenmedim. Duygusalla\u015fmad\u0131m. \u00d6yle de olmayaca\u011f\u0131m. Kendim kurdum kendim sonland\u0131r\u0131yorum. 52 y\u0131l, 1 ay 10 g\u00fcn \u00f6nce kurdum. \u015eimdi de yeni bir birlik yani Demokratik Birlik Sistemini geli\u015ftiriyorum. 5. Ciltte yani kitab\u0131mdan program\u0131 vard\u0131. Size g\u00f6nderdi\u011fim metinde ve yeni politik rapor da var daha da olacak. Elinizde olacak. Retleriniz ve eklemelerinizi yapars\u0131n\u0131z.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\u015eimdilik bunlar\u0131 belirtiyorum.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Bir slogan ile bitirmek istiyorum; \u2018\u0130nsanl\u0131kta \u0131srar sosyalizmde \u0131srard\u0131r\u2019.\u00a0 Daha \u00f6nce de s\u00f6yledim. Reel sosyalizm \u00e7\u00f6k\u00fcnce s\u00f6ylemi\u015ftim. Herkesin panikledi\u011fi ve sosyalizme olan inanc\u0131n zay\u0131flad\u0131\u011f\u0131 zamanda s\u00f6ylemi\u015ftim. Reel sosyalizm yenilgiye, demokratik sosyalizm zafere g\u00f6t\u00fcr\u00fcr.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\n<span style=\"font-size: 14pt\"><em><strong>\u00d6calan: Ortado\u011fu&#8217;yu demokratikle\u015ftirmek i\u00e7in T\u00fcrkiye&#8217;den destek istiyorum\u00a0<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>Sabri Ok: <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Yo\u011funla\u015f\u0131yoruz. Anlamaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yoruz. M\u00fczakere s\u00fcreci olacak m\u0131? Nas\u0131l olacak? Demokratik m\u00fczakere s\u00fcreci nas\u0131l ilerleyecek?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000\">\u00d6calan:<\/span><br \/>\n<\/strong>Anlad\u0131m a\u00e7ay\u0131m. Ge\u00e7mi\u015fteki gibi tek tarafl\u0131 inisiyatif bitti. Irak, \u0130ran ve Suriye ile diyaloga girin geli\u015ftirin. Demokratik birlik temelinde m\u00fczakereler geli\u015ftirin onlarla. T\u00fcrkiye ile de bunu geli\u015ftiriyorum. Bu yeteri kadar anla\u015f\u0131lm\u0131yor. Devlet\u00e7i kal\u0131plarla yakla\u015f\u0131yorsunuz. Bug\u00fcn \u00e7al\u0131\u015fma grubunda k\u0131yameti kopard\u0131m. \u00dc\u00e7 y\u00f6netim \u015fekli var; devlet y\u00f6netimi, iktidar y\u00f6netimi bir de demokratik y\u00f6netim bi\u00e7imi var. Biz sadece y\u00f6netim olaca\u011f\u0131z. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc y\u00f6netim demokratiktir. \u00a0Bizim anlay\u0131\u015f\u0131m\u0131z y\u00f6netim anlay\u0131\u015f\u0131d\u0131r. Yani demokratik y\u00f6netim. Biz onu esas alaca\u011f\u0131z. Hatta biz sadece demokratik olaca\u011f\u0131z, iktidar olmayaca\u011f\u0131z. \u015eunu tekrar s\u00f6ylemek isterim; \u0130ran, Irak ve Suriye\u2019ye bunu dayatmak alt\u0131n de\u011ferindedir. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019ye de bunu \u00f6neriyoruz. Ortado\u011fu\u2019yu demokrasiye a\u00e7aca\u011f\u0131z. Bunun i\u00e7in T\u00fcrkiye\u2019den bu konuda destek isteyece\u011fim. Bu programa demokratikle\u015fmi\u015f bir T\u00fcrkiye \u00f6nc\u00fcl\u00fck edebilir. Demokratik birimlerimizi devlete dayataca\u011f\u0131z.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>Sabri Ark: <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Peki \u00d6nderli\u011fin kendisi bu g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmeleri yapabilir mi? Suriye, \u0130ran ve Irak\u2019ta sorun var. Bunlar i\u00e7in devreye girebilir mi \u00d6nderlik?<\/p>\n<p><em><strong><span style=\"font-size: 14pt\">\u00d6calan: Biz devleti beraber y\u00f6netmek istemiyoruz, biz demokrasi istiyoruz<\/span><\/strong><\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>Ba\u015fkan:<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Kendi demokratik birli\u011finizi devletlere anlatacaks\u0131n\u0131z. Bunun m\u00fccadelesini y\u00fcr\u00fcteceksiniz. Demokratik Birli\u011fin m\u00fccadele tarz\u0131 farkl\u0131d\u0131r. Devletin bir par\u00e7as\u0131 olamaz. Suriye bir devlettir. T\u00fcrkiye de bir devlettir. Bunlara kar\u015f\u0131 de\u011filiz. Devletten demokratik birliklere dokunmamas\u0131n\u0131 isteyece\u011fiz. Devlete kar\u015f\u0131 devlet\u00e7ilik yapmayaca\u011f\u0131z. Bunu anlam\u0131yorsunuz. \u015earra ile anla\u015fma devleti birlikte y\u00fcr\u00fctme anla\u015fmas\u0131d\u0131r. S\u00f6z etti\u011fimiz bu de\u011fil. \u0130lham Ahmet bunu anlamal\u0131 ve bunu do\u011fru aktarmal\u0131<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Demokratik Toplum anlay\u0131\u015f\u0131m\u0131z fa\u015fizme kar\u015f\u0131 da en etkili savunmad\u0131r.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>\u0130lham Ahmed:\u00a0<\/strong><\/span><br \/>\nEm dixwazin pirsgir\u00eak\u00ean xwe \u00e7areser bikin bi \u015earra re. L\u00ea ew dibeje Tirkiye tesir li ser me dike \u00fb dest\u00fbr\u00ea nade em \u00e7areseriy\u00ea p\u00ea\u015f ve bibin. (Biz sorunu \u015earra ile sorunu \u00e7\u00f6zmek istiyoruz. Fakato diyor ki T\u00fcrkiye bize m\u00fcdahale ediyor ve sorunu \u00e7\u00f6zmemize izin vermiyor.)<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><b>\u00d6calan:\u00a0<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Tam alamad\u0131m. Anlayamad\u0131m. T\u00fcrk\u00e7esini alay\u0131m k\u0131saca.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>Sabri Ok:\u00a0<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Ben a\u00e7ay\u0131m. Diyor ki; Biz \u015earra ile konu\u015fuyoruz sorunlar\u0131 \u00e7\u00f6zmeye \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131rken, engeller \u00e7\u0131kar\u0131yor. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019nin bask\u0131s\u0131ndan s\u00f6z ediyor.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><b>\u00d6calan:\u00a0<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de yetkililer ile konu\u015faca\u011f\u0131m. Bunlar\u0131 anlatt\u0131m, anlataca\u011f\u0131m. Acale edilmeyecek. El birli\u011fi ile bu meseleyi \u00e7\u00f6zece\u011fiz.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">A\u00e7\u0131k konu\u015fuyorum ve size de a\u00e7\u0131k s\u00f6yl\u00fcyorum; Demokratik Cumhuriyeti kurmak bir K\u00fcrdistan\u2019\u0131 kurmaktan daha k\u0131ymetlidir benim i\u00e7in.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"900\" height=\"900\" class=\"aligncenter darka-image-1035626 \" src=\"https:\/\/darkamazi.site\/file\/2025\/11\/xapo-cover2.jpg\" alt=\"Abdullah \u00d6calan\u2019\u0131n PKK kadrolar\u0131 ile yapt\u0131\u011f\u0131 Telekonferans G\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmesi tutanaklar\u0131 \" srcset=\"https:\/\/darkamazi.site\/file\/2025\/11\/xapo-cover2.jpg 900w, https:\/\/darkamazi.site\/file\/2025\/11\/xapo-cover2-300x300.jpg 300w, https:\/\/darkamazi.site\/file\/2025\/11\/xapo-cover2-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/darkamazi.site\/file\/2025\/11\/xapo-cover2-768x768.jpg 768w, https:\/\/darkamazi.site\/file\/2025\/11\/xapo-cover2-75x75.jpg 75w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 900px) 100vw, 900px\" \/><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>Sabri Ok: <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Bizim a\u00e7\u0131m\u0131zdan \u00e7ok se\u00e7enekli bir ili\u015fki zemini var. Devlet ve \u00f6rg\u00fctler g\u00fc\u00e7ler var. \u0130li\u015fki geli\u015ftirmek istiyorlar.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>\u00d6calan: <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">(Ba\u015fkan araya girdi) Anlad\u0131m. \u00c7oklu se\u00e7enekler ve ili\u015fkiler diyorsunuz. Bol se\u00e7enekler diyorsunuz. Ama Gazze\u2019yi hat\u0131rl\u0131yorsunuz. Ukranya\u2019y\u0131 hat\u0131rl\u0131yorsunuz de\u011fil mi? Onlar\u0131n ba\u015f\u0131na ne getirildi biliyorsunuz de\u011fil mi? Bir s\u00fcr\u00fc g\u00fc\u00e7 destek verdi ve sonra ortada nas\u0131l b\u0131rakt\u0131klar\u0131n\u0131 biliyorsunuz de\u011fil mi? \u0130lham ustal\u0131kla ili\u015fki geli\u015ftiriyor. \u00d6nemlidir. \u0130li\u015fki geli\u015ftirirsiniz buna bir \u015fey diyemem. Bunlar\u0131n sorumlulu\u011funu siz alacaks\u0131n\u0131z. \u0130li\u015fki geli\u015ftirmeyin demiyorum. Ama sonu\u00e7lar\u0131n\u0131 kendiniz hesaplayacaks\u0131n\u0131z. Anl\u0131yorsunuz Sabri ve Remzi arkada\u015flar de\u011fil mi?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Ben bug\u00fcn sevin\u00e7liyim. \u00c7\u00fcnk\u00fc y\u00fck\u00fcmden kurtuldum, sizlere devrediyorum. Ayr\u0131ca Yeni vaatlerim var, yeni hedeflerim var.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>Remzi Kartal: <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Asr\u0131n \u00e7a\u011fr\u0131s\u0131yla \u00f6rg\u00fct olarak ve halk olarak netiz. Sorun devlette var. Siz \u00e7a\u011fr\u0131 yap\u0131n PKK\u2019ye. Sonra ad\u0131m at\u0131lacak. Sonra da kongre yap\u0131n ad\u0131mlar \u00f6yle at\u0131lacak dendi. Devletin ad\u0131m atmadan oyalama hali ku\u015fku yarat\u0131yor\u2026<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>\u00d6calan: <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Anlad\u0131m sevgili Remzi. Sizi de devleti de tan\u0131yorum. Kar\u015f\u0131n\u0131zdaki Apo ham i\u015f yapmaz. Burada 27 y\u0131ll\u0131k ya\u015famam\u0131n \u00f6zetinin \u00f6zetini \u00e7\u0131kararak ya\u015f\u0131yorum. Burada her g\u00fcn yo\u011funla\u015f\u0131yorum. Halk bana g\u00fcveniyor. Benden k\u00f6t\u00fc i\u015f \u00e7\u0131kmaz<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Devlet de b\u00f6yle tan\u0131yor diye umuyorum. Devlet ile g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmeler yap\u0131yorum. Beni anlad\u0131klar\u0131n\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum. Gerekli ad\u0131mlar\u0131 atacaklar\u0131n\u0131 d\u00fc\u015f\u00fcn\u00fcyorum.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>Sabri Ok: <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Ama iktidar \u00f6yle g\u00f6z\u00fckm\u00fcyor. \u00d6yle bir izlenim vermiyor\u2026<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>\u00d6calan: <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Ben devlet ile g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015f\u00fcyorum. \u0130ktidarla, Partiler ile i\u015fim yok. Norm devlet ile g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015f\u00fcyorum. Hakan Bey yan\u0131n\u0131zda. O \u00f6yle bir insand\u0131r. De\u011ferlidir. Umar\u0131m bundan sonraki zamanlarda bar\u0131\u015f yeme\u011fi yersiniz.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>Sabri Ok: <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Bir bilgilendirme yapmak istiyorum. Barzani ile g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fme talebi oldu ama bu g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fme ger\u00e7ekle\u015fmedi daha. Bu konuda bize daha bir d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015f olmad\u0131.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt\"><em><strong>\u00d6calan: 50 y\u0131ld\u0131r, Kandil&#8217;i, Suriye&#8217;dekileri ben ya\u015fat\u0131yorum, siz anlam\u0131yorsunuz\u00a0<\/strong><\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000\">\u00d6calan:<\/span> <\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Yetkililer orda. Hakan Bey orda. O da bilsin bir \u00f6neri yapaca\u011f\u0131m. Barzanilerden birileri ile g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmeliyim. Bu inisiyatif benim. Ayarlanmas\u0131 gerekir bu g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmenin.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>Sabri Ok: <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\u00d6nderlik g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015f\u00fcrse etkili olur. Bizi de\u011fil sizi dinlerler. Sizi esas al\u0131rlar. G\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmeniz iyi olur.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>\u00d6calan: <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Ne demek istedi\u011finiz anl\u0131yorum. Te\u015fekk\u00fcr ederim bu ba\u011fl\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131 k\u0131ymetli buluyorum. Deste\u011fe ihtiyac\u0131m yok, destek k\u0131sm\u0131n\u0131 sakl\u0131 tutuyorum. Abartm\u0131yorum kendimi ama ben sizi ya\u015fat\u0131yorum. Kandil\u2019i ben ya\u015fat\u0131yorum. Suriyedekileri ben ya\u015fat\u0131yor ve ayakta tutuyorum. Bunu anlam\u0131yorsunuz. 50 y\u0131ld\u0131r Kandil neyin sayesinde ya\u015f\u0131yor bilmeli. Nas\u0131l ya\u015fad\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z\u0131 biliyorsunuz. Anlam\u0131yorsunuz yeterince.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>Sabri Ok: <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Biz hep \u00d6nderli\u011fi ge\u00e7 anlad\u0131k. Yetersiz anlad\u0131k. Ac\u0131s\u0131n\u0131 ya\u015f\u0131yoruz.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>\u00d6calan: <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Neden ac\u0131 \u00e7ekiyorsunuz. 60 ya\u015f\u0131ndas\u0131n\u0131z. Haf\u0131z Esat anlamad\u0131, bitersin dedim. \u00c7\u0131kt\u0131m ve y\u0131k\u0131ld\u0131. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019ye de s\u00f6yl\u00fcyorum. Birisi T\u00fcrkiye i\u00e7in bu y\u0131l par\u00e7alanma y\u0131l\u0131d\u0131r. E\u011fer \u00e7\u00f6z\u00fcm geli\u015ftirmezse o da sorun ya\u015far. Ben neyi ayakta tuttu\u011fumu biliyorum. Kendi ba\u011fl\u0131l\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131z var. Sayg\u0131 duyuyorum. Ama ben neyi ayakta tuttu\u011fumu biliyorum. Fark\u0131nda olacaks\u0131n\u0131z. Do\u011fru anlamal\u0131, do\u011fru uygulamal\u0131 ve do\u011fru ayakta kalmal\u0131s\u0131n\u0131z. Burada Hamili var. San\u0131r\u0131m bir selam verirsiniz. (Kar\u015f\u0131l\u0131kl\u0131 sesli selamla\u015fma oldu)<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Tarihi bir g\u00fcnd\u00fcr bug\u00fcn. Evet devam edelim. Kandil\u2019in demogojisi diyece\u011fim. Ger\u00e7ek Apo \u00f6n\u00fcn\u00fczdedir. Kimse bana bir dayatmada bulunamaz. Ne siz ne devlet. Evet ba\u015fka bir \u015fey var m\u0131?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>Sabri Ok: \u00a0<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Dedi\u011fim gibi anlamaya uygulamaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yoruz. Anlamaya \u00e7al\u0131\u015f\u0131yoruz. Ancak devletten ad\u0131m bekliyoruz.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000\">\u00d6calan:<\/span> <\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Tekrar ele\u015ftiri yapaca\u011f\u0131m. Abart\u0131yorsunuz. B\u00f6yle zavall\u0131 gibi konu\u015fmay\u0131n. Bak\u0131n ben buraday\u0131m. Her g\u00fcn g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fme yapabilirim ama beklemiyorum b\u00f6yle bir \u015feyi. Biz bir \u015fey istemiyoruz. Devlet engel olmas\u0131n yeter. Bundan daha fazla bir \u015fey beklememeliyiz. T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de demokrasiden anlayan kimse yok. Onlara demokrasiyi ben \u00f6\u011fretece\u011fim. Demokrasi devletten pay almak de\u011fil. \u00d6z g\u00fcvenlik sizin i\u015finiz. Bir ki\u015finin \u00f6lmesini istemem. Ama bunu siz sa\u011flayacaks\u0131n\u0131z.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>Sabri Ok: \u00a0<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\u00d6z g\u00fcc\u00fcm\u00fcz\u00fc sormu\u015ftunuz. Son g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmede dile getirmi\u015ftiniz. Bizim \u00f6z g\u00fcc\u00fcm\u00fcz sizi anlama ve direnme g\u00fcc\u00fcm\u00fczd\u00fcr.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000\">\u00d6calan:<\/span> <\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Bombalama devam edebilir. Sald\u0131r\u0131lar olabilir. Kendinizi koruyacaks\u0131n\u0131z. 3 ay m\u0131 olur, 2 ay m\u0131 olur, bir \u015fey diyemem.Ama elde silah demokrasi ve bar\u0131\u015f olmaz. Demokratik m\u00fccadele silahtan daha g\u00fc\u00e7l\u00fcd\u00fcr.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>Sabri Ok: <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Gerekenler yap\u0131lmazsa bu durumda kimse silah b\u0131rakmaz. Biz silah b\u0131rakmay\u0131z.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><strong>\u00a0<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>Dilar Sivas:<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Ba\u015fkan\u0131m, kad\u0131n hareketinin iktidar sisteminde, yani erkek egemenlikli sistemin i\u00e7inde kendini var etme m\u00fccadelesi y\u00fcr\u00fctmesi. \u00d6nderli\u011fin kad\u0131n hareketine stratejisini harekete ge\u00e7irmede \u00f6nc\u00fc rol bi\u00e7mesi bu ba\u011flamda anla\u015f\u0131l\u0131rd\u0131r. Kad\u0131nlar bu s\u00fcreci erkeklerden daha fazla anlama ve uygulama potansiyeline sahip.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>\u00d6calan: <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Evet. Kad\u0131nlar daha ba\u015far\u0131l\u0131 oluyor \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmada. Erkeklerden daha \u00e7al\u0131\u015fkan ve disiplinliler.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Devlet ile kar\u015f\u0131l\u0131kl\u0131 bir iyi niyet var. Sonsuza kadar d\u00fc\u015fman kalamay\u0131z. Eskiden devletin yeme\u011fini yemek haramd\u0131r derdim. \u015eimdi diyorum ki; Hay\u0131r. Devlet de verse de o benim pay\u0131m. Vergim ve eme\u011fim var dedim. Devlet benimdir. Ama norm d\u0131\u015f\u0131 devlet komplocudur. Ama devleti d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015ft\u00fcr\u00fcyoruz. Ben her \u015feyi bilerek siyaset y\u00fcr\u00fct\u00fcyorum. Bizim diyalog halinde oldu\u011fumuz devletin bu de\u011fi\u015fimidir. Tabii olacak baz\u0131 \u015feyler. Bunu da yasaya ba\u011flayaca\u011f\u0131z. Siz h\u00fclyal\u0131 bir Apo sunuyorsunuz. Bilmem san\u0131yorsunuz.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>Remzi Kartal: \u00a0<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Halk ve \u00f6rg\u00fct olarak \u00d6nder Apo\u2019nun \u00e7a\u011fr\u0131s\u0131na bir ku\u015ftu yok. G\u00fcven tamd\u0131r. Sorun \u015fudur, devletin g\u00fcven verici ad\u0131m atmamas\u0131d\u0131r.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-size: 14pt\"><strong><em>\u00d6calan: Bah\u00e7eliyi ben bu \u00e7izgiye getirdim<\/em><\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>\u00d6calan: <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Bah\u00e7eli\u2019yi bile ben bu \u00e7izgiyi getirdim. Bunu anlamam\u0131\u015fs\u0131n\u0131z. Halinizi vahim buluyorum. Sizin yakla\u015f\u0131m\u0131n\u0131z bunu g\u00f6steriyor.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>Remzi Kartal: \u00a0<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Size yakla\u015f\u0131m, sizin \u00f6zg\u00fcrl\u00fc\u011f\u00fcn\u00fcze yakla\u015f\u0131m, s\u00fcrece yakla\u015f\u0131md\u0131r. \u00d6zg\u00fcr \u00e7al\u0131\u015fma ve ya\u015fama ko\u015fullar\u0131n\u0131z \u015fart\u0131m\u0131zd\u0131r.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000\">\u00d6calan:<\/span> <\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">B\u00f6yle de olmaz. Bu kadar tekrar ederseniz ve b\u00f6yle yaparsan\u0131z, devlet de inatla\u015f\u0131r daha fazla tutar beni burada. Genel Kurmay demi\u015fti ki ne yaparsan kendin yapars\u0131n. Buradan \u00e7\u0131kabilirsin de \u00f6lebilirsin de. Do\u011fru s\u00f6yl\u00fcyordu. Ben devleti d\u00f6n\u00fc\u015ft\u00fcrece\u011fim. Kararl\u0131y\u0131m.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000\">Sabri Ok:<\/span> <\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Gerilla \u00d6nderli\u011fin fedaisi olarak kat\u0131ld\u0131. Generaller iki de bir teslim olun, silah b\u0131rak\u0131n diyor. Bu kabul edilemez.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000\">\u00d6calan: <\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Ben 20 y\u0131ld\u0131r buraday\u0131m. Burada kendimi ya\u015fatt\u0131m. Bir asker gibi ya\u015fad\u0131m. En ufak bir disiplinsizlik etmedim. Siz orda ya\u015famay\u0131 bilmiyorsunuz. Askeri olarak orda neden fazla ba\u015far\u0131 kazanmad\u0131n\u0131z. Sonuna kadar \u00f6z savunma yap. Seni engelleyen mi var. Ama bunu yapacak yetenek g\u00f6stermediniz. Amerika\u2019ya s\u0131\u011f\u0131nma \u00f6zg\u00fc\u00e7 de\u011fil. B\u00fcy\u00fck ele\u015ftirilerim var. Benden kukla liderli\u011fi beklemeyin. Hepsi ile hesapla\u015faca\u011f\u0131m. Sizle de Barzani ile de. Burada bunlar\u0131n ba\u015f\u0131n\u0131 Hamili ve \u00d6mer \u00e7ekti. \u015eimdi kuzu gibi arkamda oturuyorlar. (G\u00fclerek onlara d\u00f6nd\u00fc) Konu\u015fabilirler. Buyurun arkada\u015flar;<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>Hamili \u00a0Y\u0131ld\u0131r\u0131m: \u00a0<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\u00c7ok \u015fey ald\u0131k. T\u00fcmden de\u011fi\u015ftirdik kendimizi.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000\">\u00d6mer Hayri Konar:<\/span> <\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Kayg\u0131lar\u0131n\u0131z\u0131 anl\u0131yorum. Burada temel perspektif \u015fu. Devleti de\u011fil kendinizi de\u011fi\u015ftirmenizdir. Kendi \u00f6z g\u00fcc\u00fcne dayanma. Ba\u015fka t\u00fcrl\u00fc varl\u0131k m\u00fcmk\u00fcn de\u011fil.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>\u00d6calan: <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Bu \u00e7ok \u00f6nemlidir. Kendini yaratma ve varolu\u015funu ve varl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 sa\u011flayabilmek&#8230; Remzi arkada\u015f bilir. Varolu\u015f\u00e7ulu\u011fun Merkezi Avrupa\u2019d\u0131r. Veysi sen ne diyorsun?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>Veysi Akta\u015f: <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Kendini yeniden yaratma ve in\u015fa etme s\u00fcrecidir.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000\">\u00d6calan:<\/span> <\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Aynen \u00f6yle. Kendini in\u015fa etme. Bu s\u00fcrecin dili ve \u00f6z\u00fc budur.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>Remzi Kartal: <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Uluslararas\u0131 enternasyonalist kat\u0131l\u0131mlar var. Bir\u00e7ok \u00fclkeden paradigman\u0131za kat\u0131l\u0131m var. Selamlar\u0131 <strong>var.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>\u00d6calan: <\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">(Ba\u015fkan araya girdi) Onlar\u0131n t\u00fcm\u00fcne selamlar\u0131m\u0131 iletiyorum. \u2019Reel sosyalizm yenilgiye g\u00f6t\u00fcr\u00fcr, demokratik sosyalizm zafer g\u00f6t\u00fcr\u00fcr\u2019 s\u00f6z\u00fcn\u00fc onlara ithaf ediyorum. \u015eu s\u00f6z\u00fc de onlara iletin benim ad\u0131ma; \u2018\u0130nsanl\u0131kta \u0131srar, sosyalizmde \u0131srard\u0131r\u2019. Ertu\u011frul\u2019a da selam s\u00f6yle. O i\u015f ile ilgilensin. Bu da senin g\u00f6revin olsun. \u0130lham bir \u015fey mi diyor?<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000\">\u0130lham Ahmed:<\/span> <\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Ba\u015fkan\u0131m, Arkada\u015flar\u0131n selamlar\u0131 var.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff0000\"><strong>Ba\u015fkan:<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Ba\u015fka bir zaman seninle uzun uzun g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fece\u011fim. Herkesi selamla, seni g\u00f6rece\u011fim.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000\">\u0130lham Ark:<\/span> <\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">O zaman konu\u015furuz, selamlar ve sayg\u0131lar<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><em>G\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fme kar\u015f\u0131l\u0131kl\u0131 ayakta, selamla\u015fma ve alk\u0131\u015flar ile sona erdi <\/em><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #333333;background-color: #99ccff\">\u00d6calan\u2019la g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmeyi yapan gurup daha sonra PKK\u2019ye g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fme an\u0131ndaki izlenimlerine ait bir bilgilendirme notu haz\u0131rl\u0131yorlar. Bu nottan anla\u015f\u0131ld\u0131\u011f\u0131 kadar ile daha \u00f6ncede baz\u0131 ki\u015filer \u00d6calan ile g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fm\u00fc\u015fler. Ayr\u0131ca notta T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de de e\u015f zamanl\u0131 bir g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fme oldu\u011funu belirtiliyor.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><span style=\"color: #ff6600\"><strong>Heyetin Ortak G\u00f6zlemi:<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Di\u011fer g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmelere oranla \u00d6nderli\u011fin co\u015fkulu, sevin\u00e7li ve moralli oldu\u011fu ve olduk\u00e7a enerjik ve haz\u0131rl\u0131kl\u0131 oldu\u011fu g\u00f6zlemlendi. \u00d6zellikle daha \u00f6nce g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmeye giden arkada\u015flar bu belirgin de\u011fi\u015fikli\u011fi g\u00f6zlemlediklerini s\u00f6ylediler.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Heyetimiz kendi haz\u0131rl\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 alanlar\u0131n tekmilini verme ve \u00e7al\u0131\u015fmalar ile ilgili bilgi aktarma \u00fczerine haz\u0131rlam\u0131\u015ft\u0131. Ancak \u00d6nderlik heyete, bulunduklar\u0131 alanlara y\u00f6nelik aktar\u0131m imkan\u0131 vermedi. Haz\u0131rl\u0131kl\u0131 ve tamamen kongre ve \u00e7a\u011fr\u0131ya y\u00f6nelik perspektif sunmaya odakl\u0131 bir haz\u0131rl\u0131k yapm\u0131\u015ft\u0131. Ve telekonferans\u0131 a\u011f\u0131rl\u0131kl\u0131 olarak hitap ederek ger\u00e7ekle\u015ftirdi. Arada sorular sorarak asl\u0131nda anlama sorunlar\u0131n\u0131n olup olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131, kar\u015f\u0131t tutumlar\u0131n var olup olmad\u0131\u011f\u0131n\u0131 anlamak istedi.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\u00d6nderlik fesih kongresi yapma konusunda olduk\u00e7a kararl\u0131 ve nettir. Bunun zamana yay\u0131lmadan ger\u00e7ekle\u015ftirilmesini istiyor. Fakat kongreden sonra silahs\u0131zlanma s\u00fcrecine dair kendisinin bizzat devrede oldu\u011fu birka\u00e7 ayl\u0131k bir s\u00fcreci \u00f6n g\u00f6r\u00fcyor. Heyet olarak bu g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmeden ve \u015fimdiye kadarki yans\u0131malardan anlad\u0131\u011f\u0131m\u0131z; Fesih kongresinde silahl\u0131 m\u00fccadelenin miad\u0131n\u0131 doldurdu\u011funu ve silahs\u0131zlanman\u0131n belli \u015fartlar\u0131n yerine getirilmesine ba\u011fl\u0131 olarak karar al\u0131nmas\u0131n\u0131n do\u011fru olaca\u011f\u0131d\u0131r. S\u00f6z konusu \u015fartlar ise; demokratik siyaset ve hukuksal \u00e7er\u00e7eve temelinde yasal de\u011fi\u015fikliklerin yap\u0131lmas\u0131d\u0131r.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Bu g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmede \u00e7arp\u0131c\u0131 ve di\u011ferlerinden farkl\u0131 olarak \u00f6n plana \u00e7\u0131kan hususlar ise; Ba\u015fkan\u0131n Barzani, \u0130ran ve Suriye ile ilgili de\u011ferlendirmeleri ve bu konuda hareketin y\u00f6netimine verdi\u011fi g\u00f6revler oldu. Bunun yan\u0131 s\u0131ra kendisinin de baz\u0131 g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fmeleri yapmak istemesi de \u00f6nemlidir. Hem \u0130lham Ahmet hem de Barzani ile yak\u0131n zamanda g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fme talebi \u00f6nemlidir.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">Ayr\u0131ca yetkililer hem T\u00fcrkiye\u2019de hem de burada bu konferanstan hemen sonra Kongrenin h\u0131zl\u0131 bir \u015fekilde yap\u0131lmas\u0131n\u0131 \u00f6nerdiler. Bu temelde Pervin ve Derya arkada\u015flar yar\u0131n \u0130.K. (\u0130brahim Kal\u0131n) \u00a0n\u0131n talebi \u00fczerine onunla bir g\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fme ger\u00e7ekle\u015ftirecekler.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">D.Selam ve Sayg\u0131lar<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">G\u00f6r\u00fc\u015fme Heyeti<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\"><strong>2 May\u0131s 2025<\/strong><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: justify\">\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\u0130mral\u0131- Devlet-Kandil aras\u0131ndaki \u00fc\u00e7l\u00fc ili\u015fkilerin 1999 y\u0131l\u0131ndan bu yana devam eden ve \u00e7oklu ve gizli bir ili\u015fki a\u011f\u0131 var. \u00d6zellikle de Bah\u00e7eli\u2019nin ba\u015flatt\u0131\u011f\u0131 s\u00fcre\u00e7 ile beraber bu \u00fc\u00e7l\u00fc aras\u0131ndaki ili\u015fki de \u015fekil de\u011fi\u015ftirdi. 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